{"id":36368,"date":"2025-09-01T18:32:06","date_gmt":"2025-09-01T18:32:06","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/news.godj.com\/news\/nhs-fife-delusional-over-gender-id-trans-tribunal-hears\/"},"modified":"2025-09-01T18:32:06","modified_gmt":"2025-09-01T18:32:06","slug":"nhs-fife-delusional-over-gender-id-trans-tribunal-hears","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/news.godj.com\/news\/nhs-fife-delusional-over-gender-id-trans-tribunal-hears\/","title":{"rendered":"NHS Fife &#8216;delusional&#8217; over gender ID, trans tribunal hears"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div xmlns:default=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" id=\"\">\n<figure>\n<div data-component=\"image-block\" class=\"sc-3b6b161a-0 gyQxwn\">\n<div data-testid=\"hero-image\" class=\"sc-d1200759-1 kycbVO\"><img decoding=\"async\" sizes=\"(min-width: 1280px) 50vw, (min-width: 1008px) 66vw, 96vw\" srcset=\"https:\/\/ichef.bbci.co.uk\/news\/240\/cpsprodpb\/003c\/live\/37d7cad0-875e-11f0-b391-6936825093bd.jpg.webp 240w,https:\/\/ichef.bbci.co.uk\/news\/320\/cpsprodpb\/003c\/live\/37d7cad0-875e-11f0-b391-6936825093bd.jpg.webp 320w,https:\/\/ichef.bbci.co.uk\/news\/480\/cpsprodpb\/003c\/live\/37d7cad0-875e-11f0-b391-6936825093bd.jpg.webp 480w,https:\/\/ichef.bbci.co.uk\/news\/640\/cpsprodpb\/003c\/live\/37d7cad0-875e-11f0-b391-6936825093bd.jpg.webp 640w,https:\/\/ichef.bbci.co.uk\/news\/800\/cpsprodpb\/003c\/live\/37d7cad0-875e-11f0-b391-6936825093bd.jpg.webp 800w,https:\/\/ichef.bbci.co.uk\/news\/1024\/cpsprodpb\/003c\/live\/37d7cad0-875e-11f0-b391-6936825093bd.jpg.webp 1024w,https:\/\/ichef.bbci.co.uk\/news\/1536\/cpsprodpb\/003c\/live\/37d7cad0-875e-11f0-b391-6936825093bd.jpg.webp 1536w\" src=\"https:\/\/ichef.bbci.co.uk\/news\/480\/cpsprodpb\/003c\/live\/37d7cad0-875e-11f0-b391-6936825093bd.jpg.webp\" loading=\"eager\" alt=\"BBC A woman with blond hair, wearing a dark jacket and smiling into the camera while standing outside an out of focus building\" class=\"sc-d1200759-0 dvfjxj\"\/><span class=\"sc-d1200759-2 gwFzuU\">BBC<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><figcaption class=\"sc-536eff7b-0 FPsqq\">Sandie Peggie has taken NHS Fife to an employment tribunal<\/figcaption><\/p>\n<\/figure>\n<div data-component=\"text-block\" class=\"sc-3b6b161a-0 dEGcKf\">\n<p class=\"sc-9a00e533-0 hxuGS\">NHS Fife is &#8220;in the grip of delusion&#8221; over gender self-identification, an employment tribunal has heard. <\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-9a00e533-0 hxuGS\">A lawyer for Sandie Peggie claimed this had led to &#8220;weird behaviour&#8221; in the health board&#8217;s case for suspending the nurse.<\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-9a00e533-0 hxuGS\">Ms Peggie objected to the presence of Dr Beth Upton, a transgender woman, in a female changing room at the Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy.<\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-9a00e533-0 hxuGS\">This led to <a target=\"_self\" href=\"https:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/news\/articles\/cm2vy2gkywmo\" class=\"sc-f9178328-0 bGFWdi\">an encounter between the pair on Christmas Eve 2023<\/a> and afterwards Dr Upton complained about the nurse. Ms Peggie was suspended and took the health board and the doctor to a tribunal.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div data-component=\"text-block\" class=\"sc-3b6b161a-0 dEGcKf\">\n<p class=\"sc-9a00e533-0 hxuGS\">However, the health board&#8217;s lawyer said Ms Peggie had made her discrimination claim because she realised she had &#8220;not got away with bullying and harassment&#8221; of the medic.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div data-component=\"text-block\" class=\"sc-3b6b161a-0 dEGcKf\">\n<p class=\"sc-9a00e533-0 hxuGS\">Naomi Cunningham KC, representing Ms Peggie, was speaking on the first of two days of closing submissions at the tribunal, which began in February.<\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-9a00e533-0 hxuGS\">The lawyer claimed NHS Fife&#8217;s behaviour following the suspension of Ms Peggie had been &#8220;morally repugnant&#8221; and that the health board&#8217;s case was filled with examples of &#8220;weird behaviour&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-9a00e533-0 hxuGS\">She added: &#8220;There is one cause for all the bizarre behaviour \u2013 an organisation in the grip of delusion.&#8221; <\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-9a00e533-0 hxuGS\">The KC added that there was &#8220;a delusion deliberately fostered, and successfully propagated&#8221; regarding gender self-identification by a number of health boards.<\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-9a00e533-0 hxuGS\">Those comments were in reference to <a target=\"_self\" href=\"https:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/news\/articles\/cm2mp5jley8o\" class=\"sc-f9178328-0 bGFWdi\">evidence earlier in the tribunal<\/a> from NHS Fife&#8217;s equality and human rights officer Isla Bumba. <\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-9a00e533-0 hxuGS\">Ms Bumba previously said there was a general consensus among health boards in Scotland and England about letting trans staff use facilities that aligned with their gender.    <\/p>\n<\/div>\n<figure>\n<div data-component=\"image-block\" class=\"sc-3b6b161a-0 hoQmHM\">\n<div data-testid=\"image\" class=\"sc-d1200759-1 kycbVO\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/static.files.bbci.co.uk\/bbcdotcom\/web\/20250828-055926-c20c0c03f5-2.28.1-2\/grey-placeholder.png\" class=\"sc-d1200759-0 dkIvM hide-when-no-script\" aria-label=\"image unavailable\"\/><img decoding=\"async\" sizes=\"(min-width: 1280px) 50vw, (min-width: 1008px) 66vw, 96vw\" srcset=\"https:\/\/ichef.bbci.co.uk\/news\/240\/cpsprodpb\/cfa2\/live\/34e0f450-e9f2-11ef-a819-277e390a7a08.png.webp 240w,https:\/\/ichef.bbci.co.uk\/news\/320\/cpsprodpb\/cfa2\/live\/34e0f450-e9f2-11ef-a819-277e390a7a08.png.webp 320w,https:\/\/ichef.bbci.co.uk\/news\/480\/cpsprodpb\/cfa2\/live\/34e0f450-e9f2-11ef-a819-277e390a7a08.png.webp 480w,https:\/\/ichef.bbci.co.uk\/news\/640\/cpsprodpb\/cfa2\/live\/34e0f450-e9f2-11ef-a819-277e390a7a08.png.webp 640w,https:\/\/ichef.bbci.co.uk\/news\/800\/cpsprodpb\/cfa2\/live\/34e0f450-e9f2-11ef-a819-277e390a7a08.png.webp 800w,https:\/\/ichef.bbci.co.uk\/news\/1024\/cpsprodpb\/cfa2\/live\/34e0f450-e9f2-11ef-a819-277e390a7a08.png.webp 1024w,https:\/\/ichef.bbci.co.uk\/news\/1536\/cpsprodpb\/cfa2\/live\/34e0f450-e9f2-11ef-a819-277e390a7a08.png.webp 1536w\" src=\"https:\/\/ichef.bbci.co.uk\/news\/480\/cpsprodpb\/cfa2\/live\/34e0f450-e9f2-11ef-a819-277e390a7a08.png.webp\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Dr Beth Upton has long brown hair and wears a colourful scarf and a brown parka jacket.&#10;\" class=\"sc-d1200759-0 dvfjxj\"\/><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><figcaption class=\"sc-536eff7b-0 FPsqq\">Dr Beth Upton made a bullying and harassment complaint about Sandie Peggie<\/figcaption><\/p>\n<\/figure>\n<div data-component=\"text-block\" class=\"sc-3b6b161a-0 dEGcKf\">\n<p class=\"sc-9a00e533-0 hxuGS\">The lawyer added that the health board subjected Ms Peggie to a &#8220;full blown witch-hunt&#8221; and &#8220;shockingly spiteful character assassination&#8221; during the tribunal, which saw <a target=\"_self\" href=\"https:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/news\/articles\/cpqvz1rgdr5o\" class=\"sc-f9178328-0 bGFWdi\">racist jokes from old text messages<\/a> read out.<\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-9a00e533-0 hxuGS\">Ms Cunningham said this was taking an isolated example from several years worth of messages sent by the nurse. <\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-9a00e533-0 hxuGS\">She also said trans women should be excluded from women-only spaces as they were &#8220;still men&#8221; both &#8220;legally and factually&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-9a00e533-0 hxuGS\">She cited <a target=\"_self\" href=\"https:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/news\/articles\/cqx4z2ln2j3o\" class=\"sc-f9178328-0 bGFWdi\">this year&#8217;s Supreme Court judgement<\/a> regarding the definition of a woman on multiple occasions during her argument and claimed that, prior to the ruling, it had &#8220;been made taboo to say that trans women are men&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-9a00e533-0 hxuGS\">Jane Russell KC, representing the health board, later responded that the Supreme Court ruling also stated it was not disadvantaging or removing protections for trans people.<\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-9a00e533-0 hxuGS\">She also said that NHS Fife believed there was no coherent reason to exclude Dr Upton from the changing facilities. <\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><h2 class=\"sc-f98b1ad2-0 eOFjmw\">Timeline of the Sandie Peggie tribunal<\/h2>\n<\/p>\n<div data-component=\"text-block\" class=\"sc-3b6b161a-0 dEGcKf\">\n<p class=\"sc-9a00e533-0 hxuGS\">Ms Peggie claimed being made to share a changing room with Dr Upton <a target=\"_self\" href=\"https:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/news\/articles\/cy8p41z972vo\" class=\"sc-f9178328-0 bGFWdi\">amounted to unlawful harassment<\/a> under the Equality Act and took the health board to an employment tribunal.<\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-9a00e533-0 hxuGS\">The nurse had been suspended by NHS Fife in the aftermath of the Christmas Eve incident. <\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-9a00e533-0 hxuGS\">The health board previously called the case unnecessary and vexatious, while Ms Peggie was accused of <a target=\"_self\" href=\"https:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/news\/articles\/ckgjdnk08vpo\" class=\"sc-f9178328-0 bGFWdi\">waging a &#8220;vindictive campaign&#8221;<\/a> against Dr Upton.<\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-9a00e533-0 hxuGS\">Ms Russell said Ms Peggie and her legal team were &#8220;trying to fit a square peg into a round hole&#8221; by applying gender critical arguments to the case. <\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-9a00e533-0 hxuGS\">The lawyer said NHS Fife had still not received any further complaints regarding Dr Upton&#8217;s presence in the female changing rooms.<\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-9a00e533-0 hxuGS\">She also dismissed Ms Cunningham&#8217;s earlier claim that a &#8220;climate of fear&#8221; at the hospital stopped people from coming forward to raise concerns.<\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-9a00e533-0 hxuGS\">She said there was no evidence of this beyond Ms Peggie&#8217;s own claims and that Dr Upton&#8217;s life was being affected &#8220;by the prejudices of somebody else&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-9a00e533-0 hxuGS\">Ms Russell added that Ms Peggie had &#8220;crossed a line&#8221; by deciding to &#8220;confront&#8221; the doctor on Christmas Eve.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<figure>\n<div data-component=\"image-block\" class=\"sc-3b6b161a-0 hoQmHM\">\n<div data-testid=\"image\" class=\"sc-d1200759-1 kycbVO\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/static.files.bbci.co.uk\/bbcdotcom\/web\/20250828-055926-c20c0c03f5-2.28.1-2\/grey-placeholder.png\" class=\"sc-d1200759-0 dkIvM hide-when-no-script\" aria-label=\"image unavailable\"\/><img decoding=\"async\" sizes=\"(min-width: 1280px) 50vw, (min-width: 1008px) 66vw, 96vw\" srcset=\"https:\/\/ichef.bbci.co.uk\/news\/240\/cpsprodpb\/c5e2\/live\/ca7edbd0-8745-11f0-8a2b-11820b610ec0.jpg.webp 240w,https:\/\/ichef.bbci.co.uk\/news\/320\/cpsprodpb\/c5e2\/live\/ca7edbd0-8745-11f0-8a2b-11820b610ec0.jpg.webp 320w,https:\/\/ichef.bbci.co.uk\/news\/480\/cpsprodpb\/c5e2\/live\/ca7edbd0-8745-11f0-8a2b-11820b610ec0.jpg.webp 480w,https:\/\/ichef.bbci.co.uk\/news\/640\/cpsprodpb\/c5e2\/live\/ca7edbd0-8745-11f0-8a2b-11820b610ec0.jpg.webp 640w,https:\/\/ichef.bbci.co.uk\/news\/800\/cpsprodpb\/c5e2\/live\/ca7edbd0-8745-11f0-8a2b-11820b610ec0.jpg.webp 800w,https:\/\/ichef.bbci.co.uk\/news\/1024\/cpsprodpb\/c5e2\/live\/ca7edbd0-8745-11f0-8a2b-11820b610ec0.jpg.webp 1024w,https:\/\/ichef.bbci.co.uk\/news\/1536\/cpsprodpb\/c5e2\/live\/ca7edbd0-8745-11f0-8a2b-11820b610ec0.jpg.webp 1536w\" src=\"https:\/\/ichef.bbci.co.uk\/news\/480\/cpsprodpb\/c5e2\/live\/ca7edbd0-8745-11f0-8a2b-11820b610ec0.jpg.webp\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Four women stand holding banners outside an office building - the banners say WE ARE ALL SANDIE PEGGIE and WOMEN'S RIGHTS ARE NOT A HATE CRIME\" class=\"sc-d1200759-0 dvfjxj\"\/><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><figcaption class=\"sc-536eff7b-0 FPsqq\">Supporters of Sandie Peggie have gathered on some days of the tribunal<\/figcaption><\/p>\n<\/figure>\n<div data-component=\"text-block\" class=\"sc-3b6b161a-0 dEGcKf\">\n<p class=\"sc-9a00e533-0 hxuGS\">Ms Peggie&#8217;s legal team also raised what it called &#8220;remaining mysteries&#8221; surrounding the health board&#8217;s decision to suspend the nurse, and the investigation that followed.<\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-9a00e533-0 hxuGS\">These centred around whether allegations of prior encounters between Dr Upton and Ms Peggie had placed patients at risk. <\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-9a00e533-0 hxuGS\">As the claims &#8220;swung in and out of view&#8221; throughout the process, Ms Cunningham described them as puzzling and bizarre in how they were handled by NHS Fife. <\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-9a00e533-0 hxuGS\">Ms Russell focused on the &#8220;gratuitous harm&#8221; she said Ms Peggie&#8217;s comments on Christmas Eve 2023 had caused Dr Upton, including misgendering the medic and a disputed comparison to <a target=\"_self\" href=\"https:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/news\/uk-scotland-64796926\" class=\"sc-f9178328-0 bGFWdi\">the rapist Isla Bryson<\/a> &#8211; which the lawyer called &#8220;a slur&#8221;.      <\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-9a00e533-0 hxuGS\">The final day of closing submissions takes place on Tuesday, and Judge Sandy Kemp said deliberations on the case will take place on 14 October for four days. <\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><br \/>\n<br \/><a href=\"https:\/\/www.bbc.com\/news\/articles\/cglnrr7yx2jo?at_medium=RSS&#038;at_campaign=rss\">Source link <\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>BBC Sandie Peggie has taken NHS Fife to an employment tribunal NHS Fife is &#8220;in the grip of delusion&#8221; 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